Dr. Joe Tatta: Diagnostic and functional nutritionist Damien and Heather Dubé are the cofounders of E3 energy evolved a thyroid, adrenal and metabolism restoration system helping men and women. They discovered there E three energy systems system during their inspirational battle to successfully heal Heather’s advanced Hashimoto’s disease, chronic fatigue and autoimmune illness using a drug-free approach through nutrition mindset, lifestyle and environmental change. Most men or women go years without ever sobbing their endocrine, digestive, and immune health imbalances that used to be the energy of our system was created to create natural fat loss through bio individualized functional wellness. Heather and Damian today, welcome to the healing pain summit. It’s great to have you here on season two.
Heather Dubé: Awesome. We’re excited to be here.
Damian Dubé: Yeah, super excited. So excited for you to do an event like this talking about pain.
Dr. Joe Tatta: So you guys have a really tremendous story and from that, you’ve grown a business from it obviously called E three energy evolved. So I think it’s really worth it. If, how could we maybe start with you and you tell us a little bit about some of the struggles you’ve been through with your thyroid issues and your autoimmune disease?
Heather Dubé: Yeah, absolutely. So, um, for me, I’m, I’m 42 now and in my early thirties, um, we had gone through a period where we are recently married and adjusting to that important change in life and we had moved to a new location in Sacramento. I worked as a marketing program manager in the agriculture industry, um, and consumer nutrition education. And so there’s quite a bit of pesticide. I was breathing in unbeknownst to us at the time, but we went through a number of stressful events, um, you know, a tax audit, unexpected buying a house, a parent actually dying of stage four cancer. And it was a really, um, uh, enclosed period of time. And all of a sudden my body started to speak to me in a very different way. Um, I’ve always been motivated to train because as you know, we have a long history in competitive athletics.
Heather Dubé: Before that, I never struggled to go to the gym. All of a sudden I didn’t really want to go. I started having strange crashes. I’m getting bouts with the Teague spent about a year and a half to two years going to a lot of different, um, medical doctors and not really getting answers. They would focus on the rash, they would focused on, you know, I’m just kind of saying, I don’t know, or you have allergies. And long story short, I ended up moving to more natural therapies and realizing that I had really advanced by that time, thyroid, autoimmune disease. And this really drove us to that point into focusing on food to turn the corner as the big driver of human body change, but then also questioning bigger what’s going on in our environment, what’s going on for us psychologically that’s calling illness as far lives, um, through multiple forms of physical, environmental, mental and emotional stress and looking that big of stress and inflammation in the human body to reverse my thyroid and autoimmune disease naturally switch. We were able to do in about a year and a half. And by two years I was back competing nationally again as an athlete. So,
Dr. Joe Tatta: wow. So I guess the question is, did you try some pharmaceutical or drug interventions before you went the natural route?
Heather Dubé: Um, yeah, not specifically the problem is we did, but they were targeted towards a symptom versus the root cause. Right. So I wasn’t getting a proper diagnosis even towards, I would say the end of that two year period where I was trying different types of doctors when they ran labs, which is really common, they said your thyroid’s in normal range when they did get to blood work finally. So I wasn’t really getting the proper, um, look or eyeballs on the markers that we needed to get clarity. So I didn’t even know what I was dealing with until I started going into more, um, natural therapies. Right. So the medicines that were used were more like further rash or you know, it was steroidal cream or this kind of thing. Right. And Zyrtec for the allergies, but nothing really digging into the symptoms. And when I did get a proper diagnosis and I knew, okay, this is actually what I’m dealing with.
Heather Dubé: It was really important to me at that point to not take the route of medication and to work on healing naturally. Because as a competitive athlete, I’d already experienced major change in the human body using nutrients is that driver of change. So I already believed it was possible and that was enough for me to say, you know what, medications do have some negatives, they have some toxic components. I don’t want to go down this road and I don’t want to put my hands in that industry because I, at that point I was clear that they had put me in that position of advanced state of disease. Right. So it was really important me to commit to a natural path back.
Speaker 3: Hmm. So I know how to, when you work with clients now, you work a lot about their, with their mindset and their stress level and kind of their thoughts and cognitions. How much of that do you think played a role in not only your illness, but in the illness that you see in your clients today?
Heather Dubé: Love that question. Huge. Um, I think way undervaluing the mindset. Um, I look back now and I didn’t have that clarity, but it was such a gift that I was a psychology major and I already knew things about self effect Cassie and um, locus of control, these concepts of psychology, they’re really important that I took into being a competitive athlete, right? And being very successful there and saying, how can I do this? Because I’m just looking to change the body, right? Just like I do as an athlete. But the whole goal here is healing and not performance. So how do I do this? And um, the mindset piece was huge. I would really say that. I don’t know how we can even quantify a percentage on that. So normally we say food is 80%. I mean, you know, as we know, right? Research. So it was that it’s not a stress, it’s how we perceive the stress, right?
Heather Dubé: That’s actually more important. And so that was a huge piece of my journey. Food was what the door and stopped the bleeding, if you will. Like it stopped me from falling down the rabbit hole of disease. But once I was able to stabilize, I started to intuitively go into self reflection and questioning and self assessment and looking at the deeper questions of how did I call this disease into my life and how can I reframe my thinking, which is your concepts from positive psychology so that I can get my body, my mind and my body to calm down in terms of the reactions that I’m having. And it was so super important. Um, I would say it was a good 70% of the work and it was consistent all the way through, um, my healing process. It was something that kind of gradually unfolded.
Speaker 4: And how do you find your clients are, when you bring that up, are they, I’m sure it’s across the board, but is it something you bring it up with them on session one? Are you waiting till, you know, month, month two? Obviously people are gonna have their own different touch points.
Heather Dubé: Yeah, that’s a great question. We believe and teach that essentially in our E three energy evolve system, there’s three levels of energy that’s important to understand that you thrive in your body and work to reverse disease naturally, and that’s your energy in your energy, out in your energy environment. And underneath each of those levels, there’s different forms of energy, right? Or things that affect us metabolically. But you always start with energy in, right? Because what you put in first to the system is what’s going to be the tools that it can use to reverse change. So food was first and is always what we address first with a client. Because if you’re not going to change your food, as you know, the body’s really going to always struggle to change. So we start with macronutrients complemented with individualized micronutrients, both individualized food and individualized micronutrients. When we’re programming for the client, like we say, we like to be programmed, we don’t prescribe, and that’s a different approach to food and nutrients in the body. But once we can get the body settled down and moving in the right direction, then we start to introduce the other concepts in an individualized way based on where that client is in the need. Right? Because everybody’s journey is unique back to change. Right? But we do go into the mindset secondarily pretty quickly.
Speaker 4: And what do you find is the one biggest mindset challenge that people struggle with? Is it their past experiences and where they, where they want to be in the future, but they can’t get there?
Heather Dubé: Oh gosh, there’s so many dubious he’s shopping in the vintage chai.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of times it’s actually something that maybe had occurred early on in life. You know, maybe some type of traumatic experience that’s causing them to, you kind of hold on to things and suppress emotions. Um, you know, one, one thing that, and we’re talking about pain today, you know, and one of the things I think that really is, is, um, big part of that is when you do have a very stressful event like that, um, as a child you are abused or molested or maybe raped or just whatever the case may be. Um, th that emotional turmoil causes or trauma causes, uh, physical biochemical changes as well, right? So the body can actually start to kind of hold on to certain elements. Um, calcium being one, right? Calcium is a very structural element, probably the most, um, the most abundant element in, in human tissue.
Speaker 4: Um, and when you have a traumatic type of experience like that, the body can actually start to hold on to that calcium as a defense to kind of create a shell or a wall to kind of protect you or block you from the outside world, right? So that you, you, it protects you from those emotions, you know, and what happens then is in, there’s so much unavailable calcium in the body that it starts to instead of being deposited in, in your, in your bones, um, skeletal tissue like, like it’s supposed to, it starts to get deposits in your joints, in your nervous system. And a lot of times that’s where a lot of pain can actually STEM from is just the deposits of, of minerals that aren’t supposed to be there. It’s causing violence.
Heather Dubé: To your question, I do want to add, um, in terms of client, you know, application of a clinical program and client compliance and outcomes, right? Success rates from the psychology component. What we find, one of the hardest things for people to do, and again, this was something that it was, it was such a blessing for me that we had done work in competitive athletics prior to my illness because we kind of already knew a lot of these mindset concepts intuitively and Hardy put them into practice. But for just an example, when you go to a high performance coach, which I know you have performance athletics and your background, right? So if you’re working with a high performance coach, typically you’re not working with them in person. You can be working with distance, whatever it is. You know that once you map the path, then it’s your job as the athlete to not control the path and actually you disconnect mentally and you as an athlete realize that it’s just your job to put this, put the steps in place every day and you just keep doing those steps every day, every day.
Heather Dubé: This is like what an Olympic athletes I was for four years, right? Your job is not to clinically analyze what they’re doing, why they’re doing, wonder about it, stress about it. Is this happening? Because as you know in your minds, like going all like on a, you know zigzags your job is just to focus on the work, not the outcomes. And when people do that and they can really release that control, like I need to control this process or we find that actually their body uptakes so much better. What’s you’re putting in the system to change when they can just say in a place of peace and trust that the process of change is not a linear upward trajectory. It moves, it flows. It’s four steps forward, two steps back. It circles around, you know what I mean? And so a high performance athlete understands that it will intentionally put everything on the plate of that coach and disengage. And so, um, that’s the place or the space that I was in mentally when I was working on my own healing. And I’m absolutely certain it’s partially how I was able to move so quickly through allowing my body, giving it the space to relax, um, in terms of the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system and take all that information in, right? Cause nutrients are information and produce change with it, right? So
Dr. Joe Tatta: I think it’s great as a whole because I think as, as an athlete or people who’ve been through maybe one traumatic event or one disease process, they’ve been through a system once. But if it’s your, it’s the first time you’re kind of tackling something, it can be really hard to find the right clinician to develop a relationship with them to develop trust in them and then go on a journey with them.
Heather Dubé: Yeah. And to your point, it’s super hard because I’m sure you’re seeing very similar to people who we’re seeing once someone comes to us, we’re like the last stop or the last resort, like they’ve been taken through the ringer. So it’s like we’re asking them at this last precipice to be like, let go and trust us. Just give us the wheel, like let go fully, let go here. And like ground your energy and just be in the process with complete faith and trust. And there’s, you know, it really does cross over almost like faith-based healing and a little bit of way like our spirituality, considering that, that part that we are not fully in control of everything. And we need to really just trust the process. So you bring up a really important point because it is the hardest thing often for them to do cause they’ve seen everybody under the sun and they’re in this energy of trust. But as you know, it’s very hard to produce change in a positive direction where there’s an a negative energy of lack of trust or doubt or in anything.
Dr. Joe Tatta: So let’s talk about food for a second. Cause obviously nutrition is a big part of what you guys teach. So when a client first comes to you, do you have a specific nutrition approach or is it more individualized based on the labs seeing
Speaker 4: in the person’s diet and symptoms? Yeah, it’s absolutely individualized. Honestly, the first thing we do is, is we do a full intake process to find out exactly where their pains are, you know, what kind of symptoms they have, which gives us a lot of good, um, real, real life information. And then we also look at a bunch of, uh, lab data to find out exactly what’s happening under, you know, uh, underlying, um, behind the scenes, which might be causing that, um, inflammation or, uh, adrenal disturbances and so on and so forth. And then we’ll program the nutrition accordingly. Um, one thing we look at is, uh, food sensitivities or kind of like the mediator release response once a food is introduced to the blood stream. So kind of like the inflammatory response that an offensive food might be creating, which leads to inflammation, which leads to increase, uh, erosion of the mucosal lining and exacerbates that inflammation. And it’s kind of like that slippery slope increases toxicity issues and so on and so forth, that response. So that’s one of the biggest things we do is we find what foods are, are being offensive at this point in time. Um, and it could be healthy foods like broccoli. Um, and then we’ve removed those and kind of like create like a reintroduction period.
Speaker 3: And for how long you typically removing the fruit store? Is it more like a month or three months? Some people have people on very long elimination dates,
Speaker 4: some people tend to do those short in the beginning. Yeah, generally I like to go at least 90 days, you know that way. But here’s the thing, right? So if you’re just eliminating a, you know, offensive foods, but you’re not correcting the permeability of the intestinal tract, right, then you’re not really going to calm that immune system to heal that gut, right? So you want to kind of do everything at the same time. So you want to eliminate those foods while adding in the things that are going to heal that surface so that when you go and eat that food, again, you may not create that inflammatory response. So I like to eliminate for at least 90 days and then we’ll kind of test one by one. Let’s add one back in, you know, see if you notice a any type of a negative response to that food.
Heather Dubé: And this is why clinically when we sit down and assess someone, we don’t, we actually don’t work separate from each other. We work together. So I say in the mind, body space and he sees in the nutrition, cause we’re always looking for is this person in a space where we can offer them significant healing and not everybody’s ready for that. I mean want it, but we need to make sure where are they physically, but also where are they mentally, emotionally and in what is the work they’ve done in terms of their body’s story up until this point. You know? And so we’re always looking at that together. I’m not separate.
Speaker 3: And then Damien, what, what labs do you typically run for your new clients that you’re looking at?
Speaker 4: Uh, we typically run, um, lead hormone profile. So we’re looking at your, uh, your adrenal glands, so your, your cortisol levels, but not only happen how your body’s metabolizing that cortisol, which gives us a good indication as well. Um, we look at your estrogen is to Stoss rooms, DHI, so all your sex hormones, progesterone. Um, we look at, uh, your, your metals and toxic metals. So kind of how your, how your, um, mineral ratios are and if you’re kind of deficient in certain ones or if there’s another bio availability of others. Um, we look at, uh, I mentioned the food sensitivities, uh, or the immune response created by food as well as, um, uh, we look at the stool too, right? So I’m looking for a test tunnel pathogens and parasites, which, um, cause cause toxicity, right? And that toxicity then beats up the liver and it continues to erode the intestinal lining leads to further inflammation.
Speaker 3: What are some of the more common nutritional deficiencies that you’re finding that more traditional medicine is probably [inaudible]
Speaker 4: missing and most of your, your patients? Uh, you know, I think that that question is, it’s very difficult to answer because I think everybody is so individualized, right? So, um, things that I see in many cases I was talking about earlier are, um, body holding onto certain elements like calcium or magnesium. Okay. Um, so even though the reading appears elevated, a lot of times that’s more of an indication of your body’s just not utilizing it properly, right? So your tissues aren’t receiving those minerals. So calcium and magnesium I think are big ones. Um, I see. I think everybody that comes to us is deficient in, uh, uh, selenium which is necessary for a liver function, right? Detoxifications Wallace thyroid production. Um, I see a lot of people deficient in chromium, which is necessary for blood sugar regulation. Um, and when we’re talking about, uh, pain and fibromyalgia type symptoms, uh, in many cases that’s a blood sugar issue where the law is just not entering the tissue efficiently and tissue is not getting that energy, which is creating a lot of pain. Uh, you know, kind of as a side note, um, those that are really the big ones. Um, we also see, you know, sodium and potassium being kind of spilled out, uh, through the kidneys because the adrenal glands kind of control that, that mineral balancing hormone. Um, so we, we find that kind of mineral balances, especially the sodium potassium are, are kind of just depleted and a lot of people,
Speaker 3: yeah, a lot of people kind of trying to self medicate themselves with supplements. Would you say, um, what are the pros and cons? I mean, obviously people can benefit from let’s say a multivitamin, but should they have their nutritional testing done to really take a look at what’s missing in there?
Speaker 4: You know, their body. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I think that everybody could probably benefit from a quality, right? But when you start to add in single nutrients and single minerals and single vitamins, um, you know, we have to understand that they all have synergies. They all have cofactors and, and so on. Right? So if you’re not really looking at the levels in concrete fashion through lab testing, who knows how much, how much quantity you might need, and by adding in extra, you know, a zinc because you know, you know, you’re stressed, that might further deplete your copper, right? Which is necessary for neuro regulation, you know, and, and immune system and so on and so forth. Right. Um, or vice versa. So it is very important to kind of have an understanding of what nutrients your body needs from a [inaudible].
Heather Dubé: We become really passionate about that aspect even in and of itself. Having gone through this personally, we diagnostics like that were not used on my healing path when I sought help from natural practitioners and it was more done with muscle testing. Now I’m, I’m not against muscle testing. However, the fact that I was on a tackle box of nutraceuticals, and I’m also not saying here that you may not, you may need a lot when you’re in a, when you’re in a, when you’re out of center and you’re way out of balance, you’re going to need more. And as you come back to center, it tapers down, right? That’s naturally how you would program designed nutraceuticals. But that the things that I was on was, it was not targeted enough. And part of our thing that we went through is this, it was really costly. We racked up about $40,000 in killing expenses.
Heather Dubé: Adam, you know, we would have done anything cause when you don’t have your human license, I mean that’s your number one thing. But so for us, when we started our mission, it was about how can we be as cost and time efficient for that individual. So everything is really targeted. And again, that’s like same thing like you know, when you program design in athletics, it’s the same way. You don’t take action until you map the path for the athlete and then you move on that path for the athlete. And so that’s just kind of philosophically we are really aligned with you on that, that the, that you really should be using labs to ask your body what it uniquely needs instead of just kind of throwing, you know, what at a wall.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think another problem too is that, you know, when we’re talking about certain symptoms, a symptom or even a group of symptoms could indicate not only one issue, but it could also indicate a different issue, right? So two different issues could have the same symptoms. And I think the problem is a lot of people, they go and they use dr Google or maybe they consult with a, a friend who maybe had a similar symptom and um, then they all of a sudden they, they start taking this supplement. And that’s something that because these works for that person whose body was obviously identical to mine. Right. Um, and I think that’s another issue that kind of comes into play is not really individualizing it to, to the individual. Know what percentage of your patients with adrenal and thyroid issues have pain as a symptom of a primary or secondary? I would say 90 90%. Yeah. And then what kind of recommendations you offer your patients as far as natural pain relief?
Speaker 4: You know, we don’t, I don’t really offer recommendations as far as natural pain relief. Um, because what we do is we get the body back into balance and then as we get back into balance, pain goes away in, in, in most cases, you know, whether it’s fibromyalgia, whether it’s a thyroid issue, whether it’s an adrenal, you know, a lot of times if you just create balance, that pain will go away. Um, I do not recommend, and CEDS you know, like Advil and Aleve and ibuprofen, things like that. Um, cause they actually, even though they’re reducing that inflammation, they’re further exacerbating the, the gut issues, right? Or leaky gut, which then increases inflammation, which is the exact reason to take in the first place is to reduce inflammation. Right. So it’s kinda like that cycle. So there are some natural alternatives you can use, um, in lieu of an analgesic that will kind of uh, um, suppress that uh, cap, OB, um, uh, response, um, which, which leads to the inflammation.
Heather Dubé: So pretty quickly you see that like it can, I think people don’t realize how quickly things like joint pain can actually reverse when you really go, you know, solid with your food and your comprehensive with your food. It’s usually one of the first things we see reversed. We just had a client who actually is how many weeks into her program yesterday, Diane, who was just saying, she’s like, you know, I was sitting at my desk and for the first time I realized when I get up now my knees and joints don’t ache. It’s just those little things that people just kind of downplay in the day to day and they don’t realize how much, it’s not only stealing their physical capabilities, but it’s like stealing their mental joy because it’s frustrating them subconsciously if not consciously. It goes pretty quick. That’s what’s usually one of the first things to go. So, which is good.
Speaker 4: I know you guys also focus heavily on weight loss, which is so important cause obviously the more weight you put on, the more health problems you’re going to have and the more pain you’re going to have. Talk to us about the link between thyroid health and weight loss or weight gain choice.
Heather Dubé: Yeah, absolutely. Well you know you’ve got that respondent autoimmune response of inflammation, right? So a lot of times when you’re seeing somebody that’s dealing with thyroid autoimmunity, they’re having struggle with that resting metabolism because their body is kind of in this constant tug of war. And really ultimately their body’s seeing the healing need as a priority over the weight. So they’re getting confused. And a common mistake that we see is we need a weight. They’re getting that weight loss resistance. And so what did they do? They just go add more stress into the mix and they’re like, all right, I’ll go CrossFit or I’ll just cut my calories back. But they don’t realize that actually exercise is a form of stress. And so as food fitness is a way or food is a way that we can get the body to change and adapt through applied stress.
Heather Dubé: Right? And so that was really evidence for best when we were going through my own health issues. It was kind of like, well how do we look at all forms of stress in this bigger umbrella for that individual based on where they are and when someone is in thyroid and autoimmune imbalance. Wanting very careful to not only add in the stressors that are necessary and back as many forms of stress that are unnecessary down. So fitness typically we see we remove fitness and we’re able to go after um, adding in the things for the body been crying out for in terms of tools like nutrients, you know, calming the mind body through stress management and detoxification and doing these all when you do it all at once and the body senses I’m going to be safe. I’m going to be okay. You’re not fighting me anymore.
Heather Dubé: You’re not trying to draw out of this bag where I have nothing to give you. Then it’s amazing. People are like, wait a minute, I don’t have to work out. And like the weight’s coming off
work cause they’re just thinking about their form of their metabolism that we’re taught to think in society that happens when we just raise our metabolism for that one hour at the gym. But the reality of it is we have a resting metabolism that’s working all the time and if we can deal with those 23 hours more effectively, the body can manage this weight naturally when it doesn’t feel like it’s being attacked. And so this is what’s amazing to people because what clients were literally, you know, they’ll lose 30 40 pounds and they’re not moving and they’re like, how is that happening? Because we’re so taught in society and concurrently think I have to be like abusing myself in order to, you know, or sweating or drenched or whatever to get that weight loss. But when they have that weight loss resistance in your course, correcting the body and let it go, when it knows it’s going to be safe and you’re nourishing what it needs to heal effectively. I think one of the things is drastically overlook these,
Damian Dubé: you know, and they, they truly are the hub to good health, right? And they’re also the hub to pour out. Okay. So, you know, when your adrenal glands are not functioning properly, it’s going to cause immune issues. It’s going to cost cause, uh, issues with bone turnover and regeneration, um, detoxification, right? And, and the life we live, it’s very stressful, right? They’re not, the glands aren’t really designed for that everyday stress. They’re designed for the stress of you being chased by a tiger through the jungle, right? And increase your heart rate, increase your blood flow to your extremities, your pupils dilate chain. You breathing too, to get you away from that immediate threat. Once you get away from that immediate threat, you get a chance to recharge like a cell phone battery. Right? Um, but the thing is though, when you, when, when, when you have that, that huge amount of stress, your nonvital start to slow down or even stops. If digestion stops, um, the food you ate for breakfast, you’re not going to use at that point, um, your detoxification stops, your immune system stops, right? So when we look at the life that we live today, we’re not being chased by a [inaudible] at this point, but we’re constantly under stress, whether it’s financial, whether it’s economic, uh, emotional relationship. Um, you throw out your back that that’s an additional stress, right? You have intestinal bacteria, pathogen that’s stressful. Um, so we have this constant stress. There was no wonder why people have trouble going in the bathroom. People have trouble digesting their food. People have, you know, tremendous joint pain and migraines and so on and so forth because their adrenals are just so depleted, right? And they’re in their neck constant. That constant sympathetic, dominant state, that constant fight or flight state. And when you’re in that constant state, it’s going to be very, very difficult to heal, right? So we can pull somebody out of that state, then it’ll open a window to further that healing, right? To heal the gut, to improve your detoxification, to improve your, your, uh, uh, your joint health. The fluids in your joints and so on and so forth.
Heather Dubé: And so when we program design and nutrition, we’re always considering like what would advance or improve your resting metabolism. But doing so in a way that’s not aggressive are going to add more stress. And I know what you know what that means cause like it typically in the form of athletics that we were in, you see a lot of athletic coaches doing things with nutrition that should be illegal. You know they do very aggressive things cause they don’t have a lot of background in functional nutrition or training and clinical services. So there’s ways to really program nutrition that considers how can we advance the rescue happening, but also in a way that nourishes the body so it doesn’t feel threatened or stressed. And that’s key to understand those two concepts because there are different concepts in human body nutrition really to Marriott.
Dr. Joe Tatta: And I think the, the thought that Damien had just a moment ago about the adrenal glands being so important, what are the best ways to burn your adrenal glands on? This kind of brings us full circle is to have your mental stress, not in full check.
Heather Dubé: Yeah, without a doubt. Without a doubt. So calling all type a women everywhere.
Damian Dubé: What did they do to get that extra energy? Right? They drink caffeine, which then further drink coffee, which further?
Heather Dubé: Yup. Rest of mine. Rest of mine. There’s a concept that we talk about with our clients show called extreme arrest and we’re reeducating them on what that is because extreme rest means it starts top-down. Extreme rest means being still and still in the mind and still in the body. And believe it or not, like we’re so conditioned at that point. So like society was be so disconnected that we don’t even know what that is anymore. And then you have run into issues of guilt that you have to deal with your clients because they feel guilty for sitting still or not doing something. Now I’m lazy. Why do I feel lazy? You know? It’s just that cycle where you really have to walk them through all of the pieces, the physical, the mental and then the emotional that naturally comes up when you’re walking through any form of human body change if you’re going to take them through the whole transformation.
Damian Dubé: So what I tell our clients is you don’t have to do the thinking. That’s for me to do. All you have to do is to do it right. So let me do it and then I’ll tell you what to do and you just do it.
Heather Dubé: The human being be the human being.
Dr. Joe Tatta: Good advice. You guys would take us on nice tour of the adrenal glands, the thyroid gland and pain and tie it all together, which is great. Can you tell everyone where they can find out more information about both of you?
Heather Dubé: Absolutely. So they could go to our website E three energy evolve or slash gifts and they get down there reenergize or thyroid guide is there and actually has some of our original recipes in it. It kind of explains our E three energy off system. How you would start by self assessing your process. Looking at your energy in your energy, out, your energy environment, and a couple of things you can do under each one of those. Kind of as a starter tip to start to look at how you can free the space up for your body to function better and your thyroid and metabolism to calm down and recover naturally so they can find that there.
Dr. Joe Tatta: Great. So I wanna thank Heather and Damien Dubé for being on the Healing Pain Summit 2.0 they are awesome functional nutritionists. You can check them out at e3energyevolved.com make sure you check out their free gift on the opt-in on the front page of the, of the website as well as the buyer’s side. And we’ll see you on the next episode of the Healing Pain Summit.